Joe Lieber is a founder and co-managing partner of Capitol Policy Partners, a veteran DC insider and a longtime friend of the TTT podcast. With a government shutdown all but inevitable at this point, we asked Joe how long we can expect this fight to play out, whether a grand bargain is in the offing, and the implications of a prolonged funding lapse. Later we get into the prospects of a year-end tax package and whether businesses should or should not expect a second reconciliation bill (Too Big, Too Beautiful?).

This episode of the Talking Taxes in a Truck Podcast was recorded on September 30, 2025.